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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mar - one of the problems with Barcelona's nightlife is the Shoreditch effect anyway. It's a revolting place, jammed with self-important media people and 'graphic designers'.

As to food being cheaper in Turkey, how is that a surprise? I've eaten better food in Hackney, and cheaper too. I've also eaten better food in Barcelona, and cheaper too. See, it doesn't really mean anything. Culturally naff, provincial? Well maybe a little... but is this really the Generalitat's fault? Gaudi's always been overrated.

Barcelona really isn't that bad. It's not the cultural capital of the world, it's not the planet's financial centre, it's not as cheap as Burkina Faso. But it has a generally good quality of life, a decent average climate (though this June is turning out very strangely), a large number of young, qualified Europeans (though I've had trouble hiring the perfect candidate, same as I might anywhere), a big port, OK beaches, etc etc. If you want Barcelona to be London, a place that everyone is now referring to as 'the greatest city in the world', you're going to be permanently disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mar - one of the problems with Barcelona&#8217;s nightlife is the Shoreditch effect anyway. It&#8217;s a revolting place, jammed with self-important media people and &#8216;graphic designers&#8217;.</p>
<p>As to food being cheaper in Turkey, how is that a surprise? I&#8217;ve eaten better food in Hackney, and cheaper too. I&#8217;ve also eaten better food in Barcelona, and cheaper too. See, it doesn&#8217;t really mean anything. Culturally naff, provincial? Well maybe a little&#8230; but is this really the Generalitat&#8217;s fault? Gaudi&#8217;s always been overrated.</p>
<p>Barcelona really isn&#8217;t that bad. It&#8217;s not the cultural capital of the world, it&#8217;s not the planet&#8217;s financial centre, it&#8217;s not as cheap as Burkina Faso. But it has a generally good quality of life, a decent average climate (though this June is turning out very strangely), a large number of young, qualified Europeans (though I&#8217;ve had trouble hiring the perfect candidate, same as I might anywhere), a big port, OK beaches, etc etc. If you want Barcelona to be London, a place that everyone is now referring to as &#8216;the greatest city in the world&#8217;, you&#8217;re going to be permanently disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Llorens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Llorens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you continue to lobby, you will actually get a Barcelona hardship allowance, like the 15% I got when I lived in Singapore.
Time to go sleep. I am in Germany today, but I did not take Air Berlin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you continue to lobby, you will actually get a Barcelona hardship allowance, like the 15% I got when I lived in Singapore.<br />
Time to go sleep. I am in Germany today, but I did not take Air Berlin.</p>
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		<title>By: mar</title>
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		<dc:creator>mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian , I'm very well acquainted with Cushman &#38; Wakefield's reports, having been in business dealings with them in the UK for 8 consecutive years, from '97 until '05. I can tell you that wherever they have a large property portfolio to speculate with or good connections that will ensure a long and prosperous future for their firm, invariably gets  to be a top ranked city in precisely the field that they are concentrating on, whether this is out of town commercial space, executive property, business investment property, business relocation property, etc. etc. Barcelona is ok but... que quieres que te diga, tampoco es para tanto.I agree with WernerH about the studies, this is how they operate, not just them but all of the big firms, they get real friendly with local governments , it helps both of them. Then , after overrating those cities, reality bangs at the door and the Companies that fall for it are left wondering what was all the  fuss about and move business elsewhere. What are the pluses for businesses and their executives to settle here? Barcelona is now a Theme Park; bloody expensive for the quality you get ( I have eaten better quality food in Turkey...and cheaper); culturally naff, boring and provincial, thanks to the local governments' obsession of looking inwards in an anally retentive exercise of closing rank around the nationalist cause and excluding any outside influence that cannot be controlled ( give me Tate Modern, any London Theatre production, Shoreditch clubs and galleries, etc. etc. anytime)... and its property market expensive beyond justification. Nope, I don't buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian , I&#8217;m very well acquainted with Cushman &amp; Wakefield&#8217;s reports, having been in business dealings with them in the UK for 8 consecutive years, from &#8216;97 until &#8216;05. I can tell you that wherever they have a large property portfolio to speculate with or good connections that will ensure a long and prosperous future for their firm, invariably gets  to be a top ranked city in precisely the field that they are concentrating on, whether this is out of town commercial space, executive property, business investment property, business relocation property, etc. etc. Barcelona is ok but&#8230; que quieres que te diga, tampoco es para tanto.I agree with WernerH about the studies, this is how they operate, not just them but all of the big firms, they get real friendly with local governments , it helps both of them. Then , after overrating those cities, reality bangs at the door and the Companies that fall for it are left wondering what was all the  fuss about and move business elsewhere. What are the pluses for businesses and their executives to settle here? Barcelona is now a Theme Park; bloody expensive for the quality you get ( I have eaten better quality food in Turkey&#8230;and cheaper); culturally naff, boring and provincial, thanks to the local governments&#8217; obsession of looking inwards in an anally retentive exercise of closing rank around the nationalist cause and excluding any outside influence that cannot be controlled ( give me Tate Modern, any London Theatre production, Shoreditch clubs and galleries, etc. etc. anytime)&#8230; and its property market expensive beyond justification. Nope, I don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Llorens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Llorens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werner,
if instead of copy/paste blindly, you would spend some time studying the information, as good Catalans and good Germans do(personally I love Germany, I promote German products for its quality and innovation all the time, f.i. my 2 cars a BMW and an Audi are obviously German, even if I live in USA), you would realize that there is an anomaly with the 18M invested by Italy in Madrid, what is either money laundering by the Sicilian mafia or a typing mistake, most probably the latter.

That reconfirms my theory that all current Catalan politicians are either corrupt or idiot and that the time is ripe for me to go back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werner,<br />
if instead of copy/paste blindly, you would spend some time studying the information, as good Catalans and good Germans do(personally I love Germany, I promote German products for its quality and innovation all the time, f.i. my 2 cars a BMW and an Audi are obviously German, even if I live in USA), you would realize that there is an anomaly with the 18M invested by Italy in Madrid, what is either money laundering by the Sicilian mafia or a typing mistake, most probably the latter.</p>
<p>That reconfirms my theory that all current Catalan politicians are either corrupt or idiot and that the time is ripe for me to go back</p>
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		<title>By: Gleiwitzer Rundfunk - Abendprogramm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gleiwitzer Rundfunk - Abendprogramm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ach, Werner, du kleiner Witzbold du...I thought the Germans didn't need anybody else to start wars, did they? All it takes is the nightshift at a provincial radio station and some prisoners in fake Polish uniforms, plus a punchy headline: "Seit heute früh wird gnadenlos zurückgeschossen", etc.

Watch out you don't damage the property of your "Volksgenossen" in the Balearics in the process, should you indulge these atavic antics again. They might not appreciate having their "Gartenzwerge" blown to smithereens and turn down the Kriegskredite, thus rendering final victory over the Catalan Ethnofascist State virtually impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ach, Werner, du kleiner Witzbold du&#8230;I thought the Germans didn&#8217;t need anybody else to start wars, did they? All it takes is the nightshift at a provincial radio station and some prisoners in fake Polish uniforms, plus a punchy headline: &#8220;Seit heute früh wird gnadenlos zurückgeschossen&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>Watch out you don&#8217;t damage the property of your &#8220;Volksgenossen&#8221; in the Balearics in the process, should you indulge these atavic antics again. They might not appreciate having their &#8220;Gartenzwerge&#8221; blown to smithereens and turn down the Kriegskredite, thus rendering final victory over the Catalan Ethnofascist State virtually impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: WernerH</title>
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		<dc:creator>WernerH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, that's why this study by the Catalonian Government shows that last year 84% of EU investment in Spain went to Madrid and only 6% to Catalunya http://www.cidem.com/catalonia/binaris/fdi_paisos_ccaa_2007_eng_tcm51-61718.pdf

How much consultancy is C&#38;W getting from Barcelona to justify phoney studies like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, that&#8217;s why this study by the Catalonian Government shows that last year 84% of EU investment in Spain went to Madrid and only 6% to Catalunya <a href="http://www.cidem.com/catalonia/binaris/fdi_paisos_ccaa_2007_eng_tcm51-61718.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cidem.com/catalonia/binaris/fdi_paisos_ccaa_2007_eng_tcm51-61718.pdf</a></p>
<p>How much consultancy is C&amp;W getting from Barcelona to justify phoney studies like this?</p>
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		<title>By: WernerH</title>
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		<dc:creator>WernerH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone needs to tell your buddies that declaring war on Germany isn't a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to tell your buddies that declaring war on Germany isn&#8217;t a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Llorens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Llorens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cushman and Wakefield European City Monitor:

“Geneva is geographically in the heart of Europe , while when it comes to quality of life – a key factor in attracting expatriate workers – it comes second only to Barcelona."



European Cities Monitor 2007 reveals that London has increased its lead over Paris...
9 Oct, 2007, London
 LONDON INCREASES ITS LEAD OVER PARIS AS TOP CITY TO LOCATE A BUSINESS IN EUROPE

London has the best hotels and Barcelona the best expatriate accommodation.

Behind London and Paris comes Frankfurt, and then the closely grouped cities of Barcelona, Amsterdam and Brussels, with Amsterdam just overtaking Brussels this year.

The three biggest risers in the ranking are all regional cities: Geneva, Lyon and Manchester. Elaine Rossall, the author of ECM and C&#38;W’s Head of Business Space Research &#38; Consultancy, explains: “Regional cities are increasingly becoming more business oriented, and are proving that you don’t have to be a capital to attract business. They are also benefiting from a more cost-conscious business world, with, as the survey shows, a third of those interviewed saying that to offset rising operational costs they would either relocate to another destination in the same country or another lower-cost international destination.”

“Geneva is geographically in the heart of Europe and has excellent communication links with other cities and countries, while when it comes to quality of life – a key factor in attracting expatriate workers – it comes second only to Barcelona.”

 

Europe’s Best Cities to locate a Business – ECM 2007

2007 Ranking
 
 1 London

 2 Paris
 
 3 Frankfurt
 
 4 Barcelona
 
 7 Madrid
 
 http://www.cushwake.com/cwglobal/jsp/newsDetail.jsp?Language=EN&#38;repId=c12300059p&#38;Country=GB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cushman and Wakefield European City Monitor:</p>
<p>“Geneva is geographically in the heart of Europe , while when it comes to quality of life – a key factor in attracting expatriate workers – it comes second only to Barcelona.&#8221;</p>
<p>European Cities Monitor 2007 reveals that London has increased its lead over Paris&#8230;<br />
9 Oct, 2007, London<br />
 LONDON INCREASES ITS LEAD OVER PARIS AS TOP CITY TO LOCATE A BUSINESS IN EUROPE</p>
<p>London has the best hotels and Barcelona the best expatriate accommodation.</p>
<p>Behind London and Paris comes Frankfurt, and then the closely grouped cities of Barcelona, Amsterdam and Brussels, with Amsterdam just overtaking Brussels this year.</p>
<p>The three biggest risers in the ranking are all regional cities: Geneva, Lyon and Manchester. Elaine Rossall, the author of ECM and C&amp;W’s Head of Business Space Research &amp; Consultancy, explains: “Regional cities are increasingly becoming more business oriented, and are proving that you don’t have to be a capital to attract business. They are also benefiting from a more cost-conscious business world, with, as the survey shows, a third of those interviewed saying that to offset rising operational costs they would either relocate to another destination in the same country or another lower-cost international destination.”</p>
<p>“Geneva is geographically in the heart of Europe and has excellent communication links with other cities and countries, while when it comes to quality of life – a key factor in attracting expatriate workers – it comes second only to Barcelona.”</p>
<p>Europe’s Best Cities to locate a Business – ECM 2007</p>
<p>2007 Ranking</p>
<p> 1 London</p>
<p> 2 Paris</p>
<p> 3 Frankfurt</p>
<p> 4 Barcelona</p>
<p> 7 Madrid</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.cushwake.com/cwglobal/jsp/newsDetail.jsp?Language=EN&amp;repId=c12300059p&amp;Country=GB" rel="nofollow">http://www.cushwake.com/cwglobal/jsp/newsDetail.jsp?Language=EN&amp;repId=c12300059p&amp;Country=GB</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Nun</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Nun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best retail city: what the Fukuoka</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best retail city: what the Fukuoka</p>
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		<title>By: A Nun</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Nun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best business city: Madrid
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/copenhagen-probably-the-best-city-in-the-world-842782.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best business city: Madrid<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/copenhagen-probably-the-best-city-in-the-world-842782.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/copenhagen-probably-the-best-city-in-the-world-842782.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian Llorens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Llorens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am crying. Poor families of the German expats who need to learn Catalan to find their way to the German school. Maybe that's why Barcelona ranks every year top destination for the expat community. The expats assigned to Catalonia should get a 200% hardship allowance to overcome the hardship that the "regional" language imposes on them. Buah, buah...

Once again, you confuse customers with suppliers. Companies need to try to address the customer needs and if that costs money and it is not viable, they should withdraw that market. That's market economy.
The Catalan speaking market is, by far, more attractive than many others in Europe, with only one difference, the lack of solid borders makes it very difficult to reinfoce the customer requirements and businesses take advantage of it. They are so convinced of the powerless status of those "regional" customers, that they defy them, they insult them and they mistreat them before the joy of the central government and other imperial powers.
Scheisse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am crying. Poor families of the German expats who need to learn Catalan to find their way to the German school. Maybe that&#8217;s why Barcelona ranks every year top destination for the expat community. The expats assigned to Catalonia should get a 200% hardship allowance to overcome the hardship that the &#8220;regional&#8221; language imposes on them. Buah, buah&#8230;</p>
<p>Once again, you confuse customers with suppliers. Companies need to try to address the customer needs and if that costs money and it is not viable, they should withdraw that market. That&#8217;s market economy.<br />
The Catalan speaking market is, by far, more attractive than many others in Europe, with only one difference, the lack of solid borders makes it very difficult to reinfoce the customer requirements and businesses take advantage of it. They are so convinced of the powerless status of those &#8220;regional&#8221; customers, that they defy them, they insult them and they mistreat them before the joy of the central government and other imperial powers.<br />
Scheisse</p>
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		<title>By: adi</title>
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		<dc:creator>adi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that ot would be better to let the Catalans be poor and stuck in recession, but in their language, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that ot would be better to let the Catalans be poor and stuck in recession, but in their language, of course.</p>
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