Comments on: Traitors to the language http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/ anythingarian bubbles and troubles from the land of the fretting nun Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:21:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Trevor ap Simon http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-139058 Trevor ap Simon Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:44:51 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-139058 I'm afraid I have no idea. All I know: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22grup+d%27estudis+catalans I’m afraid I have no idea. All I know: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22grup+d%27estudis+catalans

]]> By: alfred http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-139056 alfred Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:21:04 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-139056 Trevor, thanks for linking me to the appropriate thread. But do you know any more about this grouplet, Grup d'Estudis Catalans, or were they just one more bubble rising to the surface in the language wars? Trevor, thanks for linking me to the appropriate thread. But do you know any more about this grouplet, Grup d’Estudis Catalans, or were they just one more bubble rising to the surface in the language wars?

]]> By: Trevor ap Patnarthur http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-42152 Trevor ap Patnarthur Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:37:20 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-42152 I apologise for my last comment. What I meant to say was something along the lines of: <blockquote>Thanks Tom. You clearly believe that the state in this region will only achieve full legitimacy when it reflects an exclusivist ethnic agenda. To the extent that you'll ever be able to pin the word "nationalism" onto my posterior end, it will be with the word "civic" tacked on in front. Now sod off and celebrate the individual freedom bestowed upon you by liberal democracy by trolling someone else.</blockquote> I hope that clarifies things somewhat. I apologise for my last comment. What I meant to say was something along the lines of:

Thanks Tom. You clearly believe that the state in this region will only achieve full legitimacy when it reflects an exclusivist ethnic agenda. To the extent that you’ll ever be able to pin the word “nationalism” onto my posterior end, it will be with the word “civic” tacked on in front. Now sod off and celebrate the individual freedom bestowed upon you by liberal democracy by trolling someone else.

I hope that clarifies things somewhat.

]]> By: Nick http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-42147 Nick Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:37:25 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2006/02/26/traitors-to-the-language/#comment-42147 I'm not sure I can add anything to this debate but I'll mention this. My flatmates are foreign students on Erasmus programmes who have come here to study Spanish literature and culture. It seems the majority of their teachers, even knowing that half the class are international students, refuse to conduct the classes in Spanish when asked. I'm all for greater autonomy for every region in Spain but I think this kind of stubborn attitude really lets Catalonia down. I understand that after the terrible repression of the language here last century, Catalans wish to protect their language and culture more than ever before. But I also think there is a danger that if this kind of inflexibility continues, it will end up alientating much of Europe, or at least young Europeans that come to study here. I have to say, frommy own experience of attending political meetings, Catalans are more than happy to convert to Spanish if they realise just a few people will struggle although the longer I live here, the more I cringe at asking because I should speak it by now. Shame on me too then. I’m not sure I can add anything to this debate but I’ll mention this. My flatmates are foreign students on Erasmus programmes who have come here to study Spanish literature and culture. It seems the majority of their teachers, even knowing that half the class are international students, refuse to conduct the classes in Spanish when asked. I’m all for greater autonomy for every region in Spain but I think this kind of stubborn attitude really lets Catalonia down. I understand that after the terrible repression of the language here last century, Catalans wish to protect their language and culture more than ever before. But I also think there is a danger that if this kind of inflexibility continues, it will end up alientating much of Europe, or at least young Europeans that come to study here. I have to say, frommy own experience of attending political meetings, Catalans are more than happy to convert to Spanish if they realise just a few people will struggle although the longer I live here, the more I cringe at asking because I should speak it by now. Shame on me too then.

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