Comments on: Pirates and Kleinecke’s etymology of “pidgin”

By: kalebeul » Borderline nonsense language in Cádiz carnival

kalebeul » Borderline nonsense language in Cádiz carnival — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:54:23 +0000

[...] babucheros, The be-babouched (be-slippered) Moors. Apparently Moorish is a very simple language, a pechelingue so simple that the entire population spoke it in 1891–except, perhaps, the transcriber of [...]

By: El Ciruco

El Ciruco — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:57:09 +0000

‘Pichinglis’ is how you say ’speak English’ after you’ve drunk too much chaparán.

Me go now.

By: kalebeul » Misdeed and identity in the Indian Ocean

kalebeul » Misdeed and identity in the Indian Ocean — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:20:20 +0000

[...] how many of the Barbary pirates were born English, or Welsh, or whatever, which reminds me of this post on the etymology of pidgin, which I never followed up, which offence I may remedy as soon as the Chinese leave me in [...]

By: Trevor ap Simon

Trevor ap Simon — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:33:20 +0000

Are you sure about that? I can’t see the date.

(António de Morais Silva, Diccionario da lingua portugueza (1789) has pechelingue = cossario, ladráo, corruto de Flessingue, porto donde sahiáo corsarios)

By: LangGuy

LangGuy — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:15:11 +0000

The Gentleman’s Magazine has “pigeon English” in 1790, 36 years before the OED’s first instance.

By: D

Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:24:08 +0000

When I was growing up in Barcelona in the 1970’s my grandmother would say to me “Vamos a hacer inglis pitinglis” and we would talk nonsense. I don’t think people say this anymore.

By: kalebeul » Filibusters and boats on the Vlie

kalebeul » Filibusters and boats on the Vlie — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:27:29 +0000

[...]
How do we know that Bush–for all his rhetoric–is soft on pirates? Because otherwise, surely, Bill Frist would have rebi [...]

By: Carlos

Carlos — Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:57:51 +0000

Another idea: old French/Provençal pichier leads to quite old Spanish picher/pichel (same as your pitcher), pichel + lingue is someone who drinks a lot, e.g. a pirate

By: Kimo

Kimo — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:01:28 +0000

Google also says:

Inter-American Notes - The Americas 59:2 - [ Traduzca esta página ]
… “The Word Pechelingue: its Derivation and Meaning,” HAHR, 24 (1944), pp.
683-698. “Francisco López de Caravanes’ Historical Sketch of Fiscal …
muse.jhu.edu/journals/the_americas/v059/59.2notes.html

Unfortunately it’s subscription access. Can anyone get it for him?

By: Kimo

Kimo — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:50:57 +0000

Have you read BONILLA Y SAN MARTÍN, Adolfo. Pichelingue-Pechelingue. Disquisiciones histórico-geográficas (1910)? Librería Antonio Mateos in Málaga has got one in stock. http://antoniomateos.com

By: Carlos

Carlos — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:41:01 +0000

Sorry, they took off the the link I put

By: kalebeul

kalebeul — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:05:10 +0000

Pechelingues
Someone has picked up on my pechelingue post and introduced it into the Spanish Wikipedia (”la expresión inglish pichinglish”, March 2005). A link back would have been cool, as would a scientific health warning.

By: Dungbeetle

Dungbeetle — Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:43:02 +0000

“Everyone except the Welsh, to judge from this un-named sixteenth century writer:” Try [C]Kapitan Henri[sir]Morgan and source of his ill gotten fortune. otherwise very enjoyable