Comments on: Je suis torero et catalan http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/ anythingarian bubbles and troubles from the land of the fretting nun Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:59:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: That Man http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-22422 That Man Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:05:06 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-22422 One of the very first films made in Barcelona was in April 1897 of a bullfight at the Barceloneta plaza de toros. It was shown the same month at Lumiere on Rambla Santa Mónica 15 One of the very first films made in Barcelona was in April 1897 of a bullfight at the Barceloneta plaza de toros. It was shown the same month at Lumiere on Rambla Santa Mónica 15

]]> By: Carlos http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-10606 Carlos Sun, 08 May 2005 17:39:02 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-10606 B.B. King said, "If you a black person singing the blues, you black twice." B.B. King said, “If you a black person singing the blues, you black twice.”

]]> By: David http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-642 David Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-642 performing the separatist sardana La Santa Espina..to me this kind of wording sounds as if it'd been taken straight out of a Franco-time police report.. well, here's the lyrics by writer Angel Guimerà ("Terra Baixa"). Please do explain what exactly you deem to be an intrinsically "separatist" stance here, I'm at a loss: Som i serem gent catalana tant si es vol com si no es vol, que no hi ha terra més ufana sota la capa del sol! Déu va passar-hi en primavera i tot cantava al seu pas. Canta la terra encara entera i canta que cantaràs! Canta l'ocell, lo riu, la planta canten la lluna i el sol. Tot treballant la dona canta i canta al peu del bressol. I canta a dintre de la terra el passat ja mai passat i jorns i nits, de serra en serra, com tot canta a Montserrat! Som i serem gent catalana tant si es vol com si no es vol, que no hi ha terra més ufana sota la capa del sol! Àngel Guimerà performing the separatist sardana La Santa Espina..to me this kind of wording sounds as if it’d been taken straight out of a Franco-time police report.. well, here’s the lyrics by writer Angel Guimerà (”Terra Baixa”). Please do explain what exactly you deem to be an intrinsically “separatist” stance here, I’m at a loss:

Som i serem gent catalana
tant si es vol com si no es vol,
que no hi ha terra més ufana
sota la capa del sol!

Déu va passar-hi en primavera
i tot cantava al seu pas.
Canta la terra encara entera
i canta que cantaràs!

Canta l’ocell, lo riu, la planta
canten la lluna i el sol.
Tot treballant la dona canta
i canta al peu del bressol.

I canta a dintre de la terra
el passat ja mai passat
i jorns i nits, de serra en serra,
com tot canta a Montserrat!

Som i serem gent catalana
tant si es vol com si no es vol,
que no hi ha terra més ufana
sota la capa del sol!

Àngel Guimerà

]]> By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-643 Trevor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/04/24/je-suis-torero-et-catalan/#comment-643 Meaning is not intrinsic but acquired. None of the hand signals in <a href="/baldie/blog/archives/001096.asp">this post</a> has any objective significance, but the consistent association of each with a particular tendency in Albanian politics was enough to get you shot when you met adherents of other philosophies. So it was also with La Santa Espina, whose text is inoffensive and bland compared with other political ditties but whose continued use by separatists has turned it into a separatist anthem. (If someone were to ask me to nominate a future Catalan anthem, I'd go for Jaume Sisa's Qualsevol nit, but that's just one more pie in this Francoist (what?!) spy.) Meaning is not intrinsic but acquired. None of the hand signals in this post has any objective significance, but the consistent association of each with a particular tendency in Albanian politics was enough to get you shot when you met adherents of other philosophies. So it was also with La Santa Espina, whose text is inoffensive and bland compared with other political ditties but whose continued use by separatists has turned it into a separatist anthem. (If someone were to ask me to nominate a future Catalan anthem, I’d go for Jaume Sisa’s Qualsevol nit, but that’s just one more pie in this Francoist (what?!) spy.)

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