Comments on: Franco and the golden ages of the sardana http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/ anythingarian rambles from the land of the fretting nun Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:03:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: kalebeul » Smoking Mary: herbal fumes and disease prevention http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-181605 kalebeul » Smoking Mary: herbal fumes and disease prevention Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:37:01 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-181605 [...] why would the tradition survive so long? One possibility is that, like other customs such as sardana dancing, it was rediscovered and reinvented in the nineteenth century. Another is that it mutually [...] [...] why would the tradition survive so long? One possibility is that, like other customs such as sardana dancing, it was rediscovered and reinvented in the nineteenth century. Another is that it mutually [...]

]]> By: » El Barça, Franco’s favourite team? http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-155795 » El Barça, Franco’s favourite team? Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:00:20 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-155795 [...] along with with half-truths like the banning of the language and blatant lies like the banning of the sardana, a key element in Catalanista victimist mythology, and has been readily embraced by innocents from [...] [...] along with with half-truths like the banning of the language and blatant lies like the banning of the sardana, a key element in Catalanista victimist mythology, and has been readily embraced by innocents from [...]

]]> By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-146647 Trevor Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:59:22 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-146647 Here's a photo of women prisoners dancing sardanas in the prison at Las Corts, Barcelona 1954 http://nalocos.blogspot.com/2008/07/los-presos-republicanos.html Here’s a photo of women prisoners dancing sardanas in the prison at Las Corts, Barcelona 1954 http://nalocos.blogspot.com/2008/07/los-presos-republicanos.html

]]> By: Trevor ap Simon http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132462 Trevor ap Simon Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:50:52 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132462 Falangist CiU mayors: My favourite is Primitivo Forastero http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2005/05/20/catalan-cocks/ I'll find some more for you if you want. I don't know why you're so surprised - totalitarian views often transcend mere flags, as Hitler and Stalin once discovered. I'm sure you remember hyper-nationalist Joan Laporta's brother in law, who he brought onto the board of Barça despite knowing of his links with the Francisco Franco Foundation. 2) Fraga turned Galicia into a nationalist, caciquist fief in the same way Jordi Pujol did with Catalonia, controlling the regional media with a system of carrots and sticks and distributing large quantities of pork to anyone who jumped on his bandwagon. Like Pujol, he presided over the destruction (via massive and often illegal speculative construction) of vast areas of the coast and the interior. The separatists learnt from him and are now applying his system with relish. Falangist CiU mayors: My favourite is Primitivo Forastero http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2005/05/20/catalan-cocks/ I’ll find some more for you if you want. I don’t know why you’re so surprised – totalitarian views often transcend mere flags, as Hitler and Stalin once discovered. I’m sure you remember hyper-nationalist Joan Laporta’s brother in law, who he brought onto the board of Barça despite knowing of his links with the Francisco Franco Foundation.

2) Fraga turned Galicia into a nationalist, caciquist fief in the same way Jordi Pujol did with Catalonia, controlling the regional media with a system of carrots and sticks and distributing large quantities of pork to anyone who jumped on his bandwagon. Like Pujol, he presided over the destruction (via massive and often illegal speculative construction) of vast areas of the coast and the interior. The separatists learnt from him and are now applying his system with relish.

]]> By: Rab http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132436 Rab Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:11:37 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132436 #41 "Ten years ago half of CiU’s rural mayors were ex-members of the División Azul, but no one would have accused them of being Spanish nationalists. Galician separatism is the foster child of none other than Manuel Fraga. Etc etc." Are you following on Iberian Notes and just posting lies and slurs? Can you substantiate the nonsense you just wrote. I expected more of you.... Get help before you get old... #41 “Ten years ago half of CiU’s rural mayors were ex-members of the División Azul, but no one would have accused them of being Spanish nationalists. Galician separatism is the foster child of none other than Manuel Fraga. Etc etc.”

Are you following on Iberian Notes and just posting lies and slurs? Can you substantiate the nonsense you just wrote. I expected more of you….
Get help before you get old…

]]> By: Trevor ap Simon http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132361 Trevor ap Simon Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:46:05 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132361 Ten years ago half of CiU's rural mayors were ex-members of the División Azul, but no one would have accused them of being Spanish nationalists. Galician separatism is the foster child of none other than Manuel Fraga. Etc etc. Ten years ago half of CiU’s rural mayors were ex-members of the División Azul, but no one would have accused them of being Spanish nationalists. Galician separatism is the foster child of none other than Manuel Fraga. Etc etc.

]]> By: Rab http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132269 Rab Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:54:14 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132269 Trevor #22 wrote: "This is boring, off-topic and will probably get me blasted, but I think it’s important to understand that the PP and Spanish nationalism are not the same thing." Trevor, you seem a bright guy but sometimes you make me wonder...Check these two links: http://www.cadenaser.com/espana/articulo/madrid-da-medio-millon-euros/csrcsrpor/20071110csrcsrnac_7/Tes http://www.publico.es/espana/012047/falange/telemadrid Now try to tell us that the PP is not the quintessential Spanish nationalist party. Trevor #22 wrote:
“This is boring, off-topic and will probably get me blasted, but I think it’s important to understand that the PP and Spanish nationalism are not the same thing.”

Trevor, you seem a bright guy but sometimes you make me wonder…Check these two links:

http://www.cadenaser.com/espana/articulo/madrid-da-medio-millon-euros/csrcsrpor/20071110csrcsrnac_7/Tes

http://www.publico.es/espana/012047/falange/telemadrid

Now try to tell us that the PP is not the quintessential Spanish nationalist party.

]]> By: Trevor ap Simon http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132148 Trevor ap Simon Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:54:08 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132148 BTW, I seem to remember Manuel Ortínez (Una vida entre burgesos) mention that he saw Josep Pla weep as he listened to separatist number La santa espina in public in 1950 BTW, I seem to remember Manuel Ortínez (Una vida entre burgesos) mention that he saw Josep Pla weep as he listened to separatist number La santa espina in public in 1950

]]> By: Trevor ap Simon http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132146 Trevor ap Simon Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:49:17 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132146 Most Catalan history professors seem to agree that their subject is a branch of the nationalist-socialist propaganda machine, but no one's going to take you seriously anywhere else, except maybe in Aberystwyth and Cork Most Catalan history professors seem to agree that their subject is a branch of the nationalist-socialist propaganda machine, but no one’s going to take you seriously anywhere else, except maybe in Aberystwyth and Cork

]]> By: Catalonian Patriot http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/comment-page-1/#comment-132145 Catalonian Patriot Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:44:35 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2004/01/05/franco-and-the-golden-ages-of-the-sardana/#comment-132145 Catalonian History must do the same as English History and show the truth: how the Catalonians have always been victimes of the Spanish. Who cares about the sardana Catalonian History must do the same as English History and show the truth: how the Catalonians have always been victimes of the Spanish. Who cares about the sardana

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