Comments on: The strange case of Rafael Ramos http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/ anythingarian bubbles and troubles from the land of the fretting nun Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:55:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56234 Trevor Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:42:55 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56234 Dutch and Danish sound like an interesting combination. Spanish and Catalan are too close to be a huge amount of fun. LaVa never says anything really interesting because it's much too close to the local establishment, and I find much of its foreign coverage frankly embarrassing. There's the occasional good local history/culture stuff from guys like Lluís Permanyer, but that's about it for me. I'm closer to El Mundo in political terms but find it threadbare and doctrinaire, so I usually end up reading El País and avoiding most of the columnists. There's various stuff in Catalan online - El Punt, El Periódico, Racó Català - if you're after the voice of the people. Dutch and Danish sound like an interesting combination. Spanish and Catalan are too close to be a huge amount of fun.

LaVa never says anything really interesting because it’s much too close to the local establishment, and I find much of its foreign coverage frankly embarrassing. There’s the occasional good local history/culture stuff from guys like Lluís Permanyer, but that’s about it for me. I’m closer to El Mundo in political terms but find it threadbare and doctrinaire, so I usually end up reading El País and avoiding most of the columnists. There’s various stuff in Catalan online - El Punt, El Periódico, Racó Català - if you’re after the voice of the people.

]]> By: Eric Dickens http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56220 Eric Dickens Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:28:27 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56220 I'ts nice to get a bit of info from the horse's mouth, so to speak. I like your messing about with language with Kalebøl. I translate from both Dutch and Danish, so I realise the puns involved with bald, executioner, and so on. Why did you abandon La Vanguardia, now that your Spanish is OK? I buy it because it's the only newspaper I can get locally here in the Netherlands where you can read readers' letters in Catalan (though nothing else, apart from death notices and adverts). I'll look at some of your other blogs. I’ts nice to get a bit of info from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. I like your messing about with language with Kalebøl. I translate from both Dutch and Danish, so I realise the puns involved with bald, executioner, and so on. Why did you abandon La Vanguardia, now that your Spanish is OK? I buy it because it’s the only newspaper I can get locally here in the Netherlands where you can read readers’ letters in Catalan (though nothing else, apart from death notices and adverts). I’ll look at some of your other blogs.

]]> By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56087 Trevor Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:44:29 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56087 Dear Mr Dickens, I'm afraid I haven't got an opinion - I rarely touch La Vanguardia now my Spanish is OK. I assume Raffa-boy is still nicking and faking and being tolerated by management for whatever reason. He was caught red-handed yet again a couple of months ago with something which wouldn't normally have been available on the web but which someone posted on their blog or whatever. I suppose that's his way of showing respect for his sources. Dear Mr Dickens, I’m afraid I haven’t got an opinion - I rarely touch La Vanguardia now my Spanish is OK. I assume Raffa-boy is still nicking and faking and being tolerated by management for whatever reason. He was caught red-handed yet again a couple of months ago with something which wouldn’t normally have been available on the web but which someone posted on their blog or whatever. I suppose that’s his way of showing respect for his sources.

]]> By: Eric Dickens http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56083 Eric Dickens Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:07:52 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-56083 Almost three years pass. I bought La Vanguardia on 17th June 2006 and, being narcissistic, noticed my surname in a headline on page 4, this article being about Alan Johnson as an alternative to Gordon Brown. Has, in your opinion, Mr Ramos got any more accurate? Almost three years pass. I bought La Vanguardia on 17th June 2006 and, being narcissistic, noticed my surname in a headline on page 4, this article being about Alan Johnson as an alternative to Gordon Brown.

Has, in your opinion, Mr Ramos got any more accurate?

]]> By: Geoff http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-12 Geoff Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-12 Trevor, you know that 'corresponsal en Londres' means 'once went to London on holiday.' (How can I get into the original articles?) Trevor, you know that ‘corresponsal en Londres’ means ‘once went to London on holiday.’ (How can I get into the original articles?)

]]> By: Plineta http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-13 Plineta Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-13 <a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=ca&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=soc.culture.catalan&safe=off&selm=f39a2362.0305170306.2196420c%40posting.google.com">link</a> link

]]> By: John Chappell http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-14 John Chappell Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-14 Go get him. I remember a couple of terrific Ramos gaffes from when he was in the States; once he wrote a piece on how much he dug baseball and really got totally into it, in which he referred to Yankees all-Star Don Mattingly as a pitcher. He was, of course, a first baseman. This is like bragging about how much you understand soccer and then calling Zidane Real Madrid's goalkeeper. One when he was in England and some new Beatles book or CD or something came out, Ramos got himself an interview with Brian Epstein, whom he identified as the Beatles' legendary manager. Mr. Epstein has, of course, been dead since 1967 Go get him. I remember a couple of terrific Ramos gaffes from when he was in the States; once he wrote a piece on how much he dug baseball and really got totally into it, in which he referred to Yankees all-Star Don Mattingly as a pitcher. He was, of course, a first baseman. This is like bragging about how much you understand soccer and then calling Zidane Real Madrid’s goalkeeper.

One when he was in England and some new Beatles book or CD or something came out, Ramos got himself an interview with Brian Epstein, whom he identified as the Beatles’ legendary manager. Mr. Epstein has, of course, been dead since 1967

]]> By: Geoff http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-15 Geoff Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-15 Dear people, you're getting it all wrong. Ramos (if that is his real name) is a virtual journalist and probably makes a living in a Barcelona suburb helping old ladies compose their wills. His sister's probably married to someone on LV's board. The only difference between him and Jayson Blair is that Blair did actually visit some of the places and people he described and could actually write. Given the morning papers, a brain haemorrhage and a keyboard, anyone can write a Rafael Ramos article. Dear people, you’re getting it all wrong. Ramos (if that is his real name) is a virtual journalist and probably makes a living in a Barcelona suburb helping old ladies compose their wills. His sister’s probably married to someone on LV’s board. The only difference between him and Jayson Blair is that Blair did actually visit some of the places and people he described and could actually write. Given the morning papers, a brain haemorrhage and a keyboard, anyone can write a Rafael Ramos article.

]]> By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-16 Trevor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-16 Go on then, write one. Go on then, write one.

]]> By: Geoff http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-17 Geoff Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-17 Sorry, going to have to get really drunk first Sorry, going to have to get really drunk first

]]> By: Marc Torras http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-18 Marc Torras Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-18 Crec que aquest pàgina és una sèrie de temes totament subjectius, de nul interès excepte per a qui els escriu. Sembla que formi part d'una batalla personal de desprestigi contra el Sr. Ramos, amb finalitats que se m'escapen. Com a lector de La Vanguardia discrepo amb el fons global que es pretén transmetres, si bé és cert que els detalls esmentats són opinables i fins i tot criticables, però em semblen irrellevants. Crec que aquest pàgina és una sèrie de temes totament subjectius, de nul interès excepte per a qui els escriu.
Sembla que formi part d’una batalla personal de desprestigi contra el Sr. Ramos, amb finalitats que se m’escapen.
Com a lector de La Vanguardia discrepo amb el fons global que es pretén transmetres, si bé és cert que els detalls esmentats són opinables i fins i tot criticables, però em semblen irrellevants.

]]> By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-19 Trevor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-19 On the contrary, I have no personal knowledge of, nor feelings about, Mr Ramos. If you think that what is presented here is disputable, then go ahead and dispute it. If you think that plagiarism, invention and poor writing are irrelevant to journalism, then you are living on a different planet from the rest of us. On the contrary, I have no personal knowledge of, nor feelings about, Mr Ramos. If you think that what is presented here is disputable, then go ahead and dispute it. If you think that plagiarism, invention and poor writing are irrelevant to journalism, then you are living on a different planet from the rest of us.

]]> By: Expats'R'Us http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-20 Expats'R'Us Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-20 Trevor: "If you think that plagiarism, invention and poor writing are irrelevant to journalism, then you are living on a different planet from the rest of us." And what could that planet be? Planet Catalonia perhaps? This chap, Marc Torras, will probably buy any journalistic crap La Vanguardia bothers to upload on their website, regardless of factual accuracy. Remember, La Vanguardia's a Catalonian newspaper. And you don't mess around with Catalonian institutions. After all, if Barcelona FC 'is more than a club', I'd not like to think what La Vanguardia stands for... Trevor: “If you think that plagiarism, invention and poor writing are irrelevant to journalism, then you are living on a different planet from the rest of us.” And what could that planet be? Planet Catalonia perhaps?

This chap, Marc Torras, will probably buy any journalistic crap La Vanguardia bothers to upload on their website, regardless of factual accuracy. Remember, La Vanguardia’s a Catalonian newspaper. And you don’t mess around with Catalonian institutions. After all, if Barcelona FC ‘is more than a club’, I’d not like to think what La Vanguardia stands for…

]]> By: Trevor http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-21 Trevor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-21 Your man's website http://gisp.com says that he imports stuff from China. If his Chinese is as bad as the English on the site suggests it may be, then this is one to avoid. Your man’s website http://gisp.com says that he imports stuff from China. If his Chinese is as bad as the English on the site suggests it may be, then this is one to avoid.

]]> By: Geoff http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-22 Geoff Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://oreneta.com/kalebeul/2003/05/16/the-strange-case-of-rafael-ramos/#comment-22 Fascinating site. If he's importing the highest quality at the lowest prices from an authoritarian country then he's got an ethical problem all of his very own. Fascinating site. If he’s importing the highest quality at the lowest prices from an authoritarian country then he’s got an ethical problem all of his very own.

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